Wednesday, March 17, 2010

The conservative lies about health-care reform just keep coming and coming

You know what, if conservatives really think the health-care reform package currently in Congress is sooooo bad, and sooooo unpopular with the American people, they should just shut the fuck up and let it pass so that Democrats suffer at the polls for having passed it. Isn't that what they want?

But their ongoing and increasingly desperate opposition to it suggests that they actually know better, or maybe just that there's this nagging fear that, once passed, the sausage-making done, the very popular details of reform in the open at long last, health-care reform will actually be not just hugely successful as policy, historical change to an unjust, unfair, and costly system, but hugely beneficial to the Democrats in the long run, including perhaps in November.

But you know what, I've had it. Conservatives should just shut the fuck up, period. All they are is a bunch of bullshitting obstructionists who have no interest whatsoever in meaningful reform of any kind. Pajamas Media, for example, is touting a new poll conducted by the Center for Medicine in the Public Interest that purports to show that popular opposition to the reform legislation is overwhelming. Well, PJM is a right-wing website and the CMPI is a front for the pharmaceutical industry. Should we really take this poll seriously?

First of all, the poll is loaded with bias. Take the following:

Six in ten Americans (60%) agree that a current Democrat proposal to send the Senate health care bill to the president without voting up or down on it is "unfair."

It's Democratic, not "Democrat." The use of "Democrat" is a sure sign of partisan bias. As for the result, are we really to believe that the American people understand the nuances of parliamentary procedure, including reconciliation and "deem and pass"? Or how about this: Is is unfair that Republicans used the filibuster to block a straight up-or-down vote in the Senate, where reform passed with a supermajority of 60 votes?

Eight Americans in ten (81%) oppose allowing the government to decide what kind of health care coverage Americans are able to purchase.

Yeah, but this isn't in the legislation, and one is talking about having the government control health care, and for individual choice to be done away with. In fact, Obamacare is all about choice, better choices for more people. It's market-oriented reform that would expand choice, providing coverage to many of the uninsured and freeing many who have poor or limited coverage from being denied treatment and from being locked into a system that takes their money and provides inadequate care in return.

Most Americans (87%) oppose having a government panel recommend or decide what medical procedures or medical advances your doctor or health plan can or cannot use.

This is the mythical "death panel" that conservatives like Sarah Palin have been propagandizing about. There would be no such death panels under Obamacare. Conservatives seem to have moved away from the death panel argument, but apparently the lie lives on in polls conducted by the CMPI.

Anyway, it goes on and on like this. It's like asking respondents if they oppose suffering from acute diarrhea and finding that 98% do. Well, obviously. Obviously people object to death panels and being told what care they can get or what coverage they can have. But, then, this whole poll is about making shit up. Obamacare only looks bad, in this poll, because the questions are dishonest.

The president of CMPI, Dr. Robert Goldberg, concludes:

The poll suggests that Americans oppose how the health care bill is being passed and want more debate and a more democratic approach.

Uh, no, that's what Republicans want. And if you want "a more democratic approach," how about a president who was democratically elected supporting legislation that was passed by a supermajority of senators, after a majority of representatives passed an earlier and more robust bill? In the Senate, reconciliation is actually quite democratic, as it would allow a simple majority of senators to pass "patches" to the bill. In the House, "deem and pass" to approve the Senate bill and patches may not be quite as democratic as an up-or-down vote, but let's not forget that the House has already passed a reform bill.

But the lies keep coming, from Republicans on Capitol Hill and Fox News to conservatives in the media and throughout the blogosphere to the Tea Party extremists wielding their fear and venom across the land to the pharmaceutical industry masquerading as an independent health-care organization supposedly dedicated to the "public interest."

They should all shut the fuck up, as they continue to have nothing but poison to contribute to a process that, hopefully, will soon be over with the Democrats passing historic reform legislation.

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  • Only the ignorant have to use cussing words and downgrading insults to make their point. When the facts can not be produced, you resort to character attacking.

    The Healthcare bill being voted on is NOT completely about health care as much as it is about power & control. The bill is well over 2000 pages of backdoor programs to push for greater federal oversite.

    If you are for social healthcare (and this is fundamentally important to you) - move to Canada!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:06 AM  

  • Um, he already is in Canada, but as you know, we're the only ones in the developed world who allow the kind of kleptocapitalist corporate control over ourselves that we have and consequently we pay more and get less - and some get none.

    SInce you can't show evidence of "backdoor programs" you resort to misspelled imprecations to move out of the country - how American of you not to like Democracy for fear somebody may fail to get rich by ripping you off. If you like the kind of system we have, why not move to China? Everyone else has universal health care and loves it.

    By Blogger Capt. Fogg, at 10:13 AM  

  • Yes, "Death Panels" are real - they're called "Insurance Companies." Maybe you've heard of them...

    By Blogger Captain Closecall, at 12:33 PM  

  • You are wrong on the facts.

    You quote CMPI: "Eight Americans in ten (81%) oppose allowing the government to decide what kind of health care coverage Americans are able to purchase."

    And then you claim: "Yeah, but this isn't in the legislation, and one is talking about having the government control health care, and for individual choice to be done away with. In fact, Obamacare is all about choice, better choices for more people."

    You are wrong.

    Read the bill. Pp. 104 - 105 of the bill (Senate bill, passed in December, and the basis for the Reconciliation bill just released). It says: "the Secretary shall define the essential health benefits..."

    Here is the section:

    HR 3590 EAS/PP SEC. 1302.

    (a) ESSENTIAL HEALTH BENEFITS PACKAGE.—In this title, the term ‘‘essential health benefits package’’ means, with respect to any health plan, coverage that—

    (1) provides for the essential health benefits defined by the Secretary under subsection (b);
    (2) limits cost-sharing for such coverage in accordance with subsection (c); and
    (3) subject to subsection (e), provides either the bronze, silver, gold, or platinum level of coverage described in subsection (d).


    (1) IN GENERAL.—Subject to paragraph (2), the Secretary shall define the essential health benefits, except that such benefits shall include at least the following general categories and the items and services covered within the categories:

    (A) Ambulatory patient services.
    (B) Emergency services.
    (C) Hospitalization.
    (D) Maternity and newborn care.
    (E) Mental health and substance use disorder services, including behavioral health treatment.
    (F) Prescription drugs.
    (G) Rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices.
    (H) Laboratory services.
    (I) Preventive and wellness services and chronic disease management.
    (J) Pediatric services, including oral and vision care.

    This is government definition of health care.

    The phrase the "Secretary shall" appears 830 time in this bill, a number of which come before lists of things the Secretary shall" do, and a significant number are required to be done annually.

    By Anonymous Dave Andersen, at 10:12 AM  

  • Only a Socialist ―and when I say Socialist, I mean someone ignorant of economics and ignorant of economic and political history― would use a term like "kleptocapitalist corporate control." Only a Socialist would choose to forget that government controlled healthcare costs (i.e. Medicare) have gone up much faster that private healthcare costs, and ignore the fact that the government taxes private healthcare to pay for government healthcare, which is one of the important reasons that private healthcare costs are rising.

    By Anonymous Eric Munhall, at 10:04 AM  

  • There is nothing wrong with being a Republican and being against the health care reform. You thinking that it is ok to post a blog cussing about Republican's needing to shut their mouths only shows that you are a person who is trying to insult others in order to TRY and make yourself look better. And socialized medicine is NOT a good thing. I wrote my advanced research paper supporting a health care reform and after much research and comparison on the United States and socialized countries, I completely have turned against the idea of a health care reform. Maybe you should do the same. I agree with the Republicans and I feel like they deserve more respect than what you are showing them. This blog is a disgrace and no serious journalist would stoop as low as you just did by cussing at the Republicans, control your anger.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:29 PM  

  • Oh please. This isn't socialist, let alone a socialist takeover.

    And I didn't "cuss" at the Republicans, I just told them to shut the fuck up. If they want to contribute to the debate, that's fine, but they haven't wanted to. All we get from them -- and it continued tonight as the House passed the Senate bill -- is dishonesty.

    And Anonymous... you wrote a paper and now oppose reform? Tell that to the tens of millions of Americans who don't have insurance and to the tens of millions who are at the mercy of the insurance industry. You call this blog a disgrace (for calling Republicans out) but what is truly disgraceful is your ignorant opposition to this reform.

    By Blogger Michael J.W. Stickings, at 1:37 AM  

  • Yes, I agree which is what brought me to this discussion.

    I googled "Will the Republicans please shut the fuck up about healthcare reform"

    As someone who has worked for the insurance industry for many years and who knows how the insurance companies are really screwing the American people by raising premiums and selling plans that will assure them they don't have to pay out many benefits... this is at least a start. We can continue to improve it and when we finally take the profit out of healthcare coverage this will be one of the best things that will help our economy and create more jobs in America.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:17 PM  

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